Wednesday, 21 October 2009

Pub Bores

I've blogged before that one should never argue with an idiot as bystanders might not be able to tell the difference. Why politicians are debating amongst themselves about the rights and wrongs of appearing on the Question Time panel with Nick Griffin MEP is beyond me. I don't like the man nor his party's policies and don't feel a need to beat him in an intellectual argument because his politics do not function on an intellectual level. If I was in a pub and someone began spouting BNP nonsense I would take my drink elsewhere. No point rebutting his claims other than directing him to this website. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

Now these chaps are worth listening to - and buying a drink!


James Higham said...

That's the thought of the day this evening. :)

CherryPie said...

The problem with allowing him to speak on question time is that it isn't really a debate it is stage managed. It will give the parties public line legitimacy.

The BNP publicity campaign covers the gaps that the main parties are lacking in. These ideas will convince people who are discontented with the main parties. People who don't really understand the implications.

The issue isn't about debating an issue with an idiot, but more educating the general public who are taken in by the marketing.

The stakes are high and something has to be done!

Gallimaufry said...

James: I hope you're not implying it's like a R4 Thought For The Day? :)

CherryPie: You make valid points but IMHO some things like the odious BNP's hategrunts do not deserve being dignified with a reply. They do not deserve the oxygen of publicity: indeed they do not deserve the oxygen of oxygen. Likewise, I have learned not to debate against "intelligent designers despite the vast evidence supporting evolution nor 9/11 conspiracy theorists. The decent parties should not rebut Mr Griffin's nastiness but continue to develop and explain policies that are fair to all. Why fight on our opponent's terms? Just as the best way to counter islamofascism is not to show how negative it is but how positive the possible alternatives are. The means to defeat any opponent are always found within that opponent.

CherryPie said...

My point is they are publicising themselves falsely to the public and the public are being sucked in by the propaganda. We need to find I way to let the public understand what the party really stands for.

If we don't do that, I fear we will let them win.

Gallimaufry said...

Very true. They do cloak their innate nastiness with a veneer of respectability. I think, however, that a concerted effort against them by the other parties would give them additional publicity and undeserved recognition as an equal party. Wouldn't it be better instead if the other parties broadly joined together to explain the benefits to everyone of, for example, properly managed migration and of a lightly regulated free market?
I appreciate that we both recognise how obnoxious the BNP is and suggest that your strategy is to defeat them in a frontal assault whereas I favour outflanking them and letting them wither on the vine. On reflection, a synthesis of the strategies might be more effective.

CherryPie said...

Oh no I wouldn't try to defeat them on a frontal assault I am sure that would most likely not have the desired effect.

Gallimaufry said...

A bit off topic but I wrote my previous comment very late after watching the very good BBC2 Wales Return to Pembrokeshire Farm after waiting for it to be uploaded to iPlayer. Such a pity that good programmes are marginalised when BBC1 spews the dire Chilesfest.
Anyway, let's hope Griffin's ugly hatemongering gets an intellectual pounding tonight on Question Time.